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Since: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 143
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:48 pm
Post subject: How's this for career advancement.... Archived from groups: sci>research>careers (more info?)
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"She [Theodora] was...the daughter of a bear trainer, grew up in the
odor of a circus, became an actor and a prostitute, shocked and delighted
Constantinople with her lewd pantomines, practiced abortion with repeated
success, but gave birth to an illegitimate child; became the mistress of
Hecebolus, a Syrian, was deserted by him, and was lost sight of for a time
in Alexandria... Justinian [Emperor and son of Justin, emperor of the
Eastern Roman Empire] fell in love with her, made her his mistress, then
his wife, then his queen [of the Eastern Roman Empire circa 530 AD]."
"He [Justinian] had invested her uxoriously [meaning 'irrationally
fond of'] with a sovereignty theoretically equal to his own, and could not
complain if she exercised her power. She took an active part in diplomacy
and in ecclesiastical politics, made and unmade Popes and patriachs, and
deposed her enemies. Sometimes she countermanded her husband's orders,
often to the advantage of the state; her intelligence was almost
commensurate with her power. Procopius charges her with cruelty to her
opponents, with dungeon imprisonments and a few murders; men who seriously
offended her were likely to disappear without trace.... But, she knew
mercy too. She protected for two years, by hiding him in her own
appartments, the Patriach Anthemius, who had been exiled by Justinian
for heresy. Perhaps she was too lenient with with the adulteries of
Belisarius'wife [another name associated with lots of unusual historical
noteworthyness]; but to balance this she built a pretty 'Convent of
Repentance; for reformed prostitutes. Some of the girls repented of their
repentance, and threw themselves from the windows, literally bored to
death." [from page 107]
on funding an army....
"Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
means. His people were unwilling to fight his wars, and unable to pay for
them. He soon used up the 320,000 pounds of gold that Justin's
predecessors had left in the treasury... Universal military service had
ceased a century before; now the imperial army was composed almost wholly
of barbarian mercenaries from a hundred tribes and states. They lived by
plunder, and dreamed of riches and rape; time and again they mutinied in
the crisis of battle, or lost a victory by stopping to gather spoils."
[from page 108]
ref: vol 4 of Will Durant's "Story of Civilization: The Age of Faith"
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Since: Jul 19, 2005 Posts: 22
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:22 pm
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Straydog wrote:
> on funding an army....
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> "Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
> means. His people were unwilling to fight his wars, and unable to pay for
> them. He soon used up the 320,000 pounds of gold that Justin's
> predecessors had left in the treasury... Universal military service had
> ceased a century before; now the imperial army was composed almost wholly
> of barbarian mercenaries from a hundred tribes and states. They lived by
> plunder, and dreamed of riches and rape; time and again they mutinied in
> the crisis of battle, or lost a victory by stopping to gather spoils."
It does not lok like it is about the career advancement; it looks like
it is about the future of the USA... >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Jul 24, 2005 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:55 am
Post subject: Justinian Re: How's this for career advancement.... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: sci>research>careers, others (more info?)
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Straydog <asdf.RemoveThis@panix.com> writes:
> "Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
> means.
He is still remember with admiration in legal circles.
Universities around the world still teach The Digests of Justinian and the
Institutes of Justinian to advanced law students studying Roman law. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Jul 31, 2005 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:55 am
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:37:24 +0000, rambam wrote:
> Straydog <asdf RemoveThis @panix.com> writes:
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>> "Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
>> means.
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> He is still remember with admiration in legal circles.
> Universities around the world still teach The Digests of Justinian and the
> Institutes of Justinian to advanced law students studying Roman law.
Name those universities, please. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 143
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:19 am
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Seamus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 05:37:24 +0000, rambam wrote:
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>> Straydog <asdf.DeleteThis@panix.com> writes:
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>>> "Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
>>> means.
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>> He is still remember with admiration in legal circles.
>> Universities around the world still teach The Digests of Justinian and the
>> Institutes of Justinian to advanced law students studying Roman law.
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> Name those universities, please.
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>
Not that I'm trying to back up rambo, but you might be surprised at
how many universities there were back 2000 years ago. Judging from what
was mentioned in the book I'm now reading, throughout the Mediteranian
area there had to be literally many hundreds. At least a large fraction
were also state supported in some way and faculty salaries also came from
state treasuries and they were, compared to today's salaries, not low and
maybe even comparatively higher. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 143
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:36 am
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, rambam.TakeThisOut@bigpond.net.au wrote:
> Straydog <asdf.TakeThisOut@panix.com> writes:
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>> "Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
>> means.
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> He is still remember with admiration in legal circles.
> Universities around the world still teach The Digests of Justinian and the
> Institutes of Justinian to advanced law students studying Roman law.
>
Actually, from what I've read, compared to the period of time (0-300-500
AD) where Roman law was developed, debated, and put into effect, Justinian
made a relatively small contribution to the picture. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Jul 31, 2005 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:55 am
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Straydog wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, rambam.DeleteThis@bigpond.net.au wrote:
>> Straydog <asdf.DeleteThis@panix.com> writes:
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>>> "Justinian was favored with competant generals, and harassed by limited
>>> means.
>> He is still remember with admiration in legal circles.
>> Universities around the world still teach The Digests of Justinian
>> and the
>> Institutes of Justinian to advanced law students studying Roman law.
>>
> Actually, from what I've read, compared to the period of time (0-300-500
> AD) where Roman law was developed, debated, and put into effect, Justinian
> made a relatively small contribution to the picture.
This would make intrinsic sense, as every functional society of any
level of sophistication has to have a rule of law, and Rome could not
have been built without it.
Justinian is merely credited with recodifying applicable Roman law. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Aug 01, 2005 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:55 pm
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Since: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 143
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:11 pm
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Seamus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:36:27 -0400, Straydog wrote:
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>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Seamus wrote:
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>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:46:22 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:
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>>>> free, for it is enough if the mother of an unborn infant is free at
>>>> any moment between conception and delivery: and this view is right.
>>>> -- Book I, Title IV.
>>>>
>>>> This one has always surprised me, as it never managed to be
>>>> translated into the English common law.
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>>> I always apply it to my slaves.
>>>
>> If you pay taxes, then you are a slave, too.
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> I also vote.
Lots of people don't vote and still pay taxes.
> Like paying taxes, they are a part of the rights
Paying taxes is not a right, its law.
and
> responsibilities of a citizen of the republic.
I know people who didn't vote and nothing happened to them.
I know people whose viewpoint it is that it doesn't matter who you vote
for, "they're all a bunch of crooks" (my favorite bumper sticker)
I have never heard of any "responsibility" to vote. Its an option in my
book.
Apart from taking good care
> of the horses and dogs, not to mention the slaves.
My impression is that the elected politicos, in the end, don't really do
all that much for the slaves. But the slaves definitely pay taxes. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Aug 01, 2005 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:55 pm
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Justinian brought to the Roman Legal Code some of the best and worst
components of Christian dogma. The best part of the Chrisitian dogma as
expressed in the Jusinian Code was it's Christian kindness which was
expressed in the forbidding of the gladitorial games and it's increased
civility and kindness towards slaves.
The worst part of the Chrsitian dogma as expressed in the Justinian Code was
it's codified persecution of those who did not expressively hold the rigid
Chrisitian dogma requisite and outlined in the same.
Along with the same, the Justinian Code expresses, through it's code, the
horror that the Christian faith expresses with regard to human sexuality by
expressely promulgating severe criminal penalties on those that do not
follow it's draconian laws with regard to the same.
The Justinian Code, however, in totality, dignifies the law and gives
expression to the highest ethical and political norms of the human species
despite it's particular failings. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Aug 01, 2005 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:55 pm
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"Rod Speed" <rod_speed.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3l5908F110gc1U1@individual.net...
> Straydog <asdf.TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote:
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> > If you pay taxes, then you are a slave, too.
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> Nope, just a taxpayer. We have two different words for a reason.
When you ascertain the reason, I'll let you know. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Jul 31, 2005 Posts: 2
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:55 pm
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:11:30 -0400, Straydog wrote:
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> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Seamus wrote:
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>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:36:27 -0400, Straydog wrote:
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>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Seamus wrote:
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>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:46:22 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:
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> deleted
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>>>>> free, for it is enough if the mother of an unborn infant is free at
>>>>> any moment between conception and delivery: and this view is right.
>>>>> -- Book I, Title IV.
>>>>>
>>>>> This one has always surprised me, as it never managed to be
>>>>> translated into the English common law.
>>>>
>>>> I always apply it to my slaves.
>>>>
>>> If you pay taxes, then you are a slave, too.
>>
>> I also vote.
>
> Lots of people don't vote and still pay taxes.
>
>> Like paying taxes, they are a part of the rights
>
> Paying taxes is not a right, its law.
>
> and
>> responsibilities of a citizen of the republic.
>
> I know people who didn't vote and nothing happened to them.
> I know people whose viewpoint it is that it doesn't matter who you vote
> for, "they're all a bunch of crooks" (my favorite bumper sticker)
> I have never heard of any "responsibility" to vote. Its an option in my
> book.
>
> Apart from taking good care
>> of the horses and dogs, not to mention the slaves.
>
> My impression is that the elected politicos, in the end, don't really do
> all that much for the slaves. But the slaves definitely pay taxes.
Your impression is what is left of a dog turd when run over by a
truck. But, please, don't let that stop you from talking about it. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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Since: Aug 01, 2005 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:34 am
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Justinian did indeed pull together existing Roman Law into a unified
code. In doing so, he made some important changes from prior Roman Law,
for instance, Paterfamilias, which was the life and death power that
the father of a family had over all those in his household, including
wife, children, and slaves. This power, going back to Numa Pompilius
(Romulus' successor). was thereafter reserved to the Emperor.
Prior to Napoleon, Europe was a patchwork of areas governed by Roman
Law or Salic Law (Teutonic Law, related in its origins to our Common
Law). Napoleon's legal reformers re-codified Roman law into the Civil
Code (In doing so, they relied very heavily on Justinian's code), which
Napoleon and his armies imposed over most of continental Europe. This
was seen by the ordinary people as a way to limit aristocratic
priviledge, and is one of Bonaparte's enduring legacies.
The English-speaking world largely kept its Common Law, which was a
major motivation for English resistance to Napoleon. The exceptions in
the English speaking world are Scotland, which uses a pre-Napoleonic
form of Roman Law, the U.S. State of Louisiana, and the Canadian
province of Quebec, which uses a hybrid of English Common for criminal
law and Roman Law for civil suits. Of course, worldwide, both systems
have been modified by statute and/or case law. Interestingly, Israel
adopted Common Law and Japan adopted Roman Law into its systems.
Two of the major differences between the systems are in the use of
precedent, (which dominates case law under English Common, but is
mostly irrelevant in Roman Law), and the presumption of Innocence,
which a defendant has under Common Law but not under Roman-derived law.
This is why bail is available in Common law but is generally not in
civil code governed countries unless allowed by statute, such as in
Louisiana.-Jitney >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:41 am
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Seamus wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:11:30 -0400, Straydog wrote:
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>>
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>> I know people whose viewpoint it is that it doesn't matter who you vote
>> for, "they're all a bunch of crooks" (my favorite bumper sticker)
>> I have never heard of any "responsibility" to vote. Its an option in my
>> book.
>>
>> Apart from taking good care
>>> of the horses and dogs, not to mention the slaves.
>>
>> My impression is that the elected politicos, in the end, don't really do
>> all that much for the slaves. But the slaves definitely pay taxes.
>
> Your impression is what is left of a dog turd when run over by a
> truck. But, please, don't let that stop you from talking about it.
>
Thank you. I have another impression: "talking about it" is about the only
thing we CAN do about it. >> Stay informed about: How's this for career advancement.... |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:48 am
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Rod Speed wrote:
> Straydog <asdf RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Rod Speed wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>> I always apply it to my slaves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you pay taxes, then you are a slave, too.
>>>
>>> Nope, just a taxpayer. We have two different words for a reason.
>>
>> Would you pay the taxes if you didn't have to?
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> Irrelevant to what a slave is.
>
Would a slave do work if he didn't have to?
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