C# Developer @ 40$/hr -- REQUIREMENT !!!

On Feb 19, 10:21 am, Naveen wrote:
> Position: C# Developer
> Location: Beverly Hills, CA
> Duration: 6 months
> Rates: $ 40 / hr (W2/1099/C2C)
>
> Required Skills/Experience:
> - 3+ years of solid C# experience
> - 3+ years of ASP.NET (and the .NET 1.1 Framework) experience
> - 3+ years of experience developing with SQL Server 2000 (including
> stored procedures)
> - Strong knowledge of .NET Remoting (including HTTP and TCP/IP) and
> UDP
> - a solid foundation in n-tier, Business Objects, Design Patterns, and
> general OOP
> - Strong knowledge (and wisdom) of IIS6 and it's internals
> - Experience on sites under heavy loads that require meticulous
> attention to coding practices as they relate to performance and
> scalability
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> Naveen
> Charter Global Inc.
> Voice : 866-570-1818 Ext.304  | Fax:770-206-2327 |
> Email:NVeerava...@charterglobal.com | Website:www.charterglobal.com

$40 per hour....you have to be kidding. I haven't worked for $40 an
hour in over 30 years. I hope you get just what you are paying for,
nothing.
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On Feb 19, 9:27 pm, BobR wrote:
> $40 per hour....you have to be kidding.  I haven't worked for $40 an
> hour in over 30 years.  I hope you get just what you are paying for,
> nothing.- Hide quoted text -

What would you consider a minimally acceptable wage for non-contract,
full time work in a not-too-expensive city?
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wrote:
> On Feb 19, 9:27�pm, BobR wrote:
> > $40 per hour....you have to be kidding. �I haven't worked for $40 an
> > hour in over 30 years. �I hope you get just what you are paying for,
> > nothing.- Hide quoted text -
>
> What would you consider a minimally acceptable wage for non-contract,
> full time work in a not-too-expensive city?

That would depend on experience and benefit packages. It would also
depend on rather it is a full time employment or middle-man contract.
From what I remember of the original post, this wan't a full tme
position.
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Do you guys typically prefer contract or full time work? If someone
were to offer you a full time position at say $20 to 25 an hour, would
you take it? Say the 'benefits' were standard - 2 weeks vacation,
dental and medical to some limit.

I've heard unemployed programmers turning down $50+K job offers
because 'it was too low' compared to their last job (which for all we
know was back in the 90s).

Of those here who complain there are NO jobs for white males, are you
specifically referring to "no jobs over 50K" or no jobs period?

Another question. I keep hearing statistics that the average American
does not save anything. Is this true? Do you guys spend every
paycheck that you get or do you actually have something saved up?



On Feb 20, 4:38 pm, Straydog wrote:
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A little hard to save on on les than $50k a year, while you hindus pack in
20 to a one bedroom apartment so you will feel at home.



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Do you guys typically prefer contract or full time work? If someone
were to offer you a full time position at say $20 to 25 an hour, would
you take it? Say the 'benefits' were standard - 2 weeks vacation,
dental and medical to some limit.

I've heard unemployed programmers turning down $50+K job offers
because 'it was too low' compared to their last job (which for all we
know was back in the 90s).

Of those here who complain there are NO jobs for white males, are you
specifically referring to "no jobs over 50K" or no jobs period?

Another question. I keep hearing statistics that the average American
does not save anything. Is this true? Do you guys spend every
paycheck that you get or do you actually have something saved up?



On Feb 20, 4:38 pm, Straydog wrote:
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GeekBoy wrote:
> A little hard to save on on les than $50k a year, while you hindus pack in
> 20 to a one bedroom apartment so you will feel at home.
>
>
>
> wrote in message
>
> Do you guys typically prefer contract or full time work? If someone
> were to offer you a full time position at say $20 to 25 an hour, would
> you take it? Say the 'benefits' were standard - 2 weeks vacation,
> dental and medical to some limit.
>
> I've heard unemployed programmers turning down $50+K job offers
> because 'it was too low' compared to their last job (which for all we
> know was back in the 90s).
>
> Of those here who complain there are NO jobs for white males, are you
> specifically referring to "no jobs over 50K" or no jobs period?
>
> Another question. I keep hearing statistics that the average American
> does not save anything. Is this true? Do you guys spend every
> paycheck that you get or do you actually have something saved up?
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 4:38 pm, Straydog wrote:

After thirty years of contracting as an Independent Contractor, I took
a full time job three years ago. I could have continued as a
contractor except for health insurance which I couldn't get for my
wife at any cost. My insurance for high deductable major med was
running close to $2k per month. So, I finally gave up and took a full
time position.

I have done an analysis of the combined benefit package I have along
with my base salary. That includes health insurance, life insurance,
3-weeks paid vacation, 1 day per month unlimited accumulation of sick
leave, and a retire program. I did an analysis of the comparison
between my self-employment hourly rate compare to my current
employment. Used to charge $100 per hour for long term and $125 short
term. Didn't have vacation and paid all taxes. My comparable rate
right now it just over $60 per hour. A bit less than I was used to
but don't worry as much and my expenses have been drastically reduced.
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On Feb 23, 12:38 am, BobR wrote:
> I have done an analysis of the combined benefit package I have along
> with my base salary.  That includes health insurance, life insurance,
> 3-weeks paid vacation, 1 day per month unlimited accumulation of sick
> leave, and a retire program.  I did an analysis of the comparison
> between my self-employment hourly rate compare to my current
> employment.  Used to charge $100 per hour for long term and $125 short
> term.  Didn't have vacation and paid all taxes.  My comparable rate
> right now it just over $60 per hour.  A bit less than I was used to
> but don't worry as much and my expenses have been drastically reduced.

You mention equivalent cost so I'll just divide that 60 and hour by
2. Even so that is a reasonable salary of around 60k. Sounds like
you are doing allright.

The medical costs and lawyer bills in the US are a fraud. I heard of
one guy who pain stakingly saved up 200K for his retirement. He found
out he had cancer. The treatment cost finished off his savings.

I get my expensive pills from India where its a lot cheaper. Copies
of life-saving western drugs are legal in India unless they are sold
at prices locals (poor) can afford by the western company (one of the
few good things about socialism). So if you ever lose your job and
cannot afford your meds, find someone who is visiting India and ask
him to bring back the goodies. You can bring in upto 3 months worth
legally.
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On Feb 23, 8:33 pm, wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:38 am, BobR wrote:
>
> > I have done an analysis of the combined benefit package I have along
> > with my base salary.  That includes health insurance, life insurance,
> > 3-weeks paid vacation, 1 day per month unlimited accumulation of sick
> > leave, and a retire program.  I did an analysis of the comparison
> > between my self-employment hourly rate compare to my current
> > employment.  Used to charge $100 per hour for long term and $125 short
> > term.  Didn't have vacation and paid all taxes.  My comparable rate
> > right now it just over $60 per hour.  A bit less than I was used to
> > but don't worry as much and my expenses have been drastically reduced.
>
> You mention equivalent cost so I'll just divide that 60 and hour by
> 2.  Even so that is a reasonable salary of around 60k.  Sounds like
> you are doing allright.
>

Close enough and yes, I am doing alright. The only problem is that it
basically ment a change in a lifelong profession in computers to a
strictly business analyst position. Doing ok at it though and managed
to incorporate changes in the last two year that took us from a 3
million a year lost to our FIRST profitable year ever.

> The medical costs and lawyer bills in the US are a fraud.  I heard of
> one guy who pain stakingly saved up 200K for his retirement.  He found
> out he had cancer.  The treatment cost finished off his savings.
>

Why do you consider medical costs a fraud? Should the people in
healthcare work for free? We seem to think nothing of spending $200-
$300 thousand for a house that was built by largely unskilled labor
but complain about the costs of the skilled highly trained
professionals who provide us healthcare. Cancer treatment is
expensive for a multitude of reasons most of which the patient never
has direct contact with.

> I get my expensive pills from India where its a lot cheaper.  Copies
> of life-saving western drugs are legal in India unless they are sold
> at prices locals (poor) can afford by the western company (one of the
> few good things about socialism).  So if you ever lose your job and
> cannot afford your meds, find someone who is visiting India and ask
> him to bring back the goodies.  You can bring in upto 3 months worth
> legally.

The medical costs in this country have been driven up by a combination
of many things, not the least of which is government intervention.
How many other businesses are essentially dictated to regarding their
prices. Medicare sets what they will pay without regard to what the
costs are, insurance companies negotiate from a standpoint that says
you accept what we pay or we will disallow the use of your facilities
by our insured. In many cases, what they pay is way below the cost of
providing service. Add to that, the charity writeoffs, bad debt
writeoffs and you end up with a collection rate of about 25%.

As for you drugs from India, I can fully understand but just one word
of caution. Those drugs you are getting may be good or they may be
sugar pills. Worse yet, many of the drugs brough in from Mexico,
India, and elsewhere may contain substances that are dangerous.
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GeekBoy wrote:
> Treatment never stops, while cures don't make money.
>
>

What cure? The human body isn't some machine that you can just
replace a defective or damaged part with a new part manufactured to
specification. No two are created the same and there isn't a users
manual or set of specifications for any of us. So, treatment is in
many cases the only alternative we will ever have. Every doctor out
there would love to be the one to find the cure for cancer or even the
lowly common cold but for every desease we find a cure for or a
prevention such a polio, it seems a dozen new deseases move in to take
their place.
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Treatment never stops, while cures don't make money.


"BobR" wrote in message

On Feb 23, 8:33 pm, wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:38 am, BobR wrote:
>
> > I have done an analysis of the combined benefit package I have along
> > with my base salary. That includes health insurance, life insurance,
> > 3-weeks paid vacation, 1 day per month unlimited accumulation of sick
> > leave, and a retire program. I did an analysis of the comparison
> > between my self-employment hourly rate compare to my current
> > employment. Used to charge $100 per hour for long term and $125 short
> > term. Didn't have vacation and paid all taxes. My comparable rate
> > right now it just over $60 per hour. A bit less than I was used to
> > but don't worry as much and my expenses have been drastically reduced.
>
> You mention equivalent cost so I'll just divide that 60 and hour by
> 2. Even so that is a reasonable salary of around 60k. Sounds like
> you are doing allright.
>

Close enough and yes, I am doing alright. The only problem is that it
basically ment a change in a lifelong profession in computers to a
strictly business analyst position. Doing ok at it though and managed
to incorporate changes in the last two year that took us from a 3
million a year lost to our FIRST profitable year ever.

> The medical costs and lawyer bills in the US are a fraud. I heard of
> one guy who pain stakingly saved up 200K for his retirement. He found
> out he had cancer. The treatment cost finished off his savings.
>

Why do you consider medical costs a fraud? Should the people in
healthcare work for free? We seem to think nothing of spending $200-
$300 thousand for a house that was built by largely unskilled labor
but complain about the costs of the skilled highly trained
professionals who provide us healthcare. Cancer treatment is
expensive for a multitude of reasons most of which the patient never
has direct contact with.

> I get my expensive pills from India where its a lot cheaper. Copies
> of life-saving western drugs are legal in India unless they are sold
> at prices locals (poor) can afford by the western company (one of the
> few good things about socialism). So if you ever lose your job and
> cannot afford your meds, find someone who is visiting India and ask
> him to bring back the goodies. You can bring in upto 3 months worth
> legally.

The medical costs in this country have been driven up by a combination
of many things, not the least of which is government intervention.
How many other businesses are essentially dictated to regarding their
prices. Medicare sets what they will pay without regard to what the
costs are, insurance companies negotiate from a standpoint that says
you accept what we pay or we will disallow the use of your facilities
by our insured. In many cases, what they pay is way below the cost of
providing service. Add to that, the charity writeoffs, bad debt
writeoffs and you end up with a collection rate of about 25%.

As for you drugs from India, I can fully understand but just one word
of caution. Those drugs you are getting may be good or they may be
sugar pills. Worse yet, many of the drugs brough in from Mexico,
India, and elsewhere may contain substances that are dangerous.
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"BobR" wrote in message

>
>
> GeekBoy wrote:
>> Treatment never stops, while cures don't make money.
>>
>>
>
> What cure? The human body isn't some machine that you can just
> replace a defective or damaged part with a new part manufactured to
> specification. No two are created the same and there isn't a users
> manual or set of specifications for any of us. So, treatment is in
> many cases the only alternative we will ever have. Every doctor out
> there would love to be the one to find the cure for cancer or even the
> lowly common cold but for every desease we find a cure for or a
> prevention such a polio, it seems a dozen new deseases move in to take
> their place.
>

No, but a lot of diseases can be cured and many have been eradicated.

The March of Dimes started as the National Foundation for Infantile
Paralysis for getting rid of polio.

Well, polio was eradicated then suddenly many people looking to be out of
work so they changed to birth defects.

Well, birth defects are not so common now so they have turned to other
things to stay in business.

Cures don't make money.
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GeekBoy wrote:
> "BobR" wrote in message
>
> >
> >
> > GeekBoy wrote:
> >> Treatment never stops, while cures don't make money.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > What cure? The human body isn't some machine that you can just
> > replace a defective or damaged part with a new part manufactured to
> > specification. No two are created the same and there isn't a users
> > manual or set of specifications for any of us. So, treatment is in
> > many cases the only alternative we will ever have. Every doctor out
> > there would love to be the one to find the cure for cancer or even the
> > lowly common cold but for every desease we find a cure for or a
> > prevention such a polio, it seems a dozen new deseases move in to take
> > their place.
> >
>
> No, but a lot of diseases can be cured and many have been eradicated.
>
> The March of Dimes started as the National Foundation for Infantile
> Paralysis for getting rid of polio.
>
> Well, polio was eradicated then suddenly many people looking to be out of
> work so they changed to birth defects.
>
> Well, birth defects are not so common now so they have turned to other
> things to stay in business.
>
> Cures don't make money.

Those diseases that can be cured and you gave an excellent example,
are being cured. The research will always go for the diseases that
have the largest impact which is only natural. It would be great if
there were no more diseases left but that is not likely to happen in
our lifetimes. What I don't understand is your concern that once a
cure is found, research then moves to other areas. Are you proposing
that it stop? I sure hope not.
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GeekBoy wrote:
> "BobR" wrote in message
>
> > GeekBoy wrote:
> >> "BobR" wrote in message
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > GeekBoy wrote:
> >> >> Treatment never stops, while cures don't make money.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > What cure? The human body isn't some machine that you can just
> >> > replace a defective or damaged part with a new part manufactured to
> >> > specification. No two are created the same and there isn't a users
> >> > manual or set of specifications for any of us. So, treatment is in
> >> > many cases the only alternative we will ever have. Every doctor out
> >> > there would love to be the one to find the cure for cancer or even the
> >> > lowly common cold but for every desease we find a cure for or a
> >> > prevention such a polio, it seems a dozen new deseases move in to take
> >> > their place.
> >> >
> >>
> >> No, but a lot of diseases can be cured and many have been eradicated.
> >>
> >> The March of Dimes started as the National Foundation for Infantile
> >> Paralysis for getting rid of polio.
> >>
> >> Well, polio was eradicated then suddenly many people looking to be out of
> >> work so they changed to birth defects.
> >>
> >> Well, birth defects are not so common now so they have turned to other
> >> things to stay in business.
> >>
> >> Cures don't make money.
> >
> > Those diseases that can be cured and you gave an excellent example,
> > are being cured. The research will always go for the diseases that
> > have the largest impact which is only natural. It would be great if
> > there were no more diseases left but that is not likely to happen in
> > our lifetimes. What I don't understand is your concern that once a
> > cure is found, research then moves to other areas. Are you proposing
> > that it stop? I sure hope not.
>
>
> What I am trying to get across is that cures do not make money.
>
> As a corporate powerhouse, do you think they would rather cure 1000 people,
> or provide them with lifetime treatments?

Well DUH, treat them for a lifetime! Yes, obviously the drug
companies and some providers would prefer that but it is not the goal
of most researchers, at least not the ones I know and work with.
Every last one of them would like nothing better than to be the next
one to find the cure or better yet the prevention for a major disease.
(or even a minor one for that matter.) Then again, I am not working
for a big "Corporate" powerhouse either. Maybe I would make more
money if it did. <?>
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