Americans do not work as hard as Indians and Chinese

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On Feb 19, 6:15 pm, Straydog <a....TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote:

> I'd love to meet a well-educated Indian. So far, based on what I've read
> on this NG, they don't exist.
>

I'd love to meet a well-paid white american in IT. So far, based on
their bitterness on this ng, they don't exist.
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Father of Terry Lomax wrote:

> In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0802191813160.17454 RemoveThis @panix3.panix.com>, Straydog
> says...
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>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Father of Terry Lomax wrote:
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>>> The idea for the film came to him during a 2005 trip to India, where he hired
>>> about 100 programmers and would often treat them to dinner; they'd fall into
>>> conversation on a huge range of topics.
>>>
>>> "They could talk about U.S. history, European history, Shakespeare. They could
>>> talk about Peter Drucker's books on management. They were just so well-read and
>>> knowledgeable, I couldn't believe it."
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>> I'd love to meet a well-educated Indian. So far, based on what I've read
>> on this NG, they don't exist.
>>
>> It looks like the pro-India anti-US propaganda has started again.
>
> Last I checked, the producer of the film 'Two million minutes' is
> an American.
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> You can find more about the movie: http://2mminutes.com/trailer.html
>
> If you have some beef with Robert Compton, flame him, not the messenger.
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When the fact is that India has a much higher illiteracy rate than the USA
and you pick out some itty-bitty brag about some small subpopulation as if
that make them superior, by implication, than US people....then YOU are
perpetuating a lie.

About two years ago I had an extended set of exchanges with Kamal Prasad,
an Indian very very very proud of his own knowledge that he considered
"superior" to almost anyone in the USA and I presented to him a large
range of counter-arguments that showed how really limited he was in his
knowledge and understanding of the world and its history.

If anyone here wants to investigate, in depth and breadth, some
significant topics (instead of make cheap and cheating and superficial
trivial posts by copying and pasting some dinky transient pot-shot news
item as if it represents valid significance), then let that anyone make
some statements that are meaningful and definitive and if I disagree,
then they will hear about it.

And, I am not bragging about the educational level of the average
American, either. I was on a scientific exchange visit to the Soviet Union
in 1989 that lasted one month and they spoke MY language very well and I
spoke THEIR language very poorly (but they appreciated that I tried), and
when we talked about history, it was clear that they knew more history
about THEIR country than I knew about THEIR country and they also knew
more history about MY country than I knew about MY country. I was humbled
by this. However, the predominant impression I have gotten from all of
these posts, surely by Indians (because they don't talk about any other
country but India), is that they, by their own boast, surely know more
about anything than anyone else (meaning Americans), and if they don't
actually know more, then they will try to _sound_ like they know more.

And, I have had people working for me, in the past, who came from Europe,
Russia, China, _and_ India. They were all _people_.
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Tambi Dude wrote:

> On Feb 19, 6:15 pm, Straydog <a... RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to meet a well-educated Indian. So far, based on what I've read
>> on this NG, they don't exist.
>>
>
> I'd love to meet a well-paid white american in IT.

Write a letter to Bill Gates or Steve Balmer or Steve Jobs. And, by the
way, who are some of the highest paid Indians in IT and how much do they
make? And, I have the answer but you don't.

> So far, based on
> their bitterness on this ng, they don't exist.

I'm always amazed that Indians, handed their H1B (even the advertisements
that appear here even promise jobs to H1bs) jobs on silver platters by
either Indian agents or IT companies who prefer them because they are
cheap labor and because they can exploit them (even the word
exploitation has appeared in posts here by Indian agents), _can't_
understand that US employees replaced on orders of US CEOs by Indians
might be resentful towards CEOs and Indians.

Of course, I _can_ appreciate that Hindus (and maybe some other Indians)
might have a justifiable historical reason for disliking Muslims/Islam,
so I _can_ understand where these resentful feelings come from.

Of course, guys like indiaBPOking love to post propaganda (as defined by
telling only good things about India and only bad things about the USA).


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On Feb 19, 9:47 pm, Straydog <a....TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote:

> Write a letter to Bill Gates or Steve Balmer or Steve Jobs. And, by the
> way, who are some of the highest paid Indians in IT and how much do they
> make? And, I have the answer but you don't.

I am not talking about people like Bill Gates. I am talking about
people like Terry Lomax, Geekboy, BobR who post anti indian
stuff in this ng.

> I'm always amazed that Indians, handed their H1B (even the advertisements
> that appear here even promise jobs to H1bs) jobs on silver platters by
> either Indian agents or IT companies who prefer them because they are
> cheap labor and because they can exploit them (even the word
> exploitation has appeared in posts here by Indian agents)

Every Indian who comes on H1B knows that the exploitation is only
for a limited period. You read BW printed edition. Care to read
the letters to the editor of Feb 18 issue by someone calling himself
'ramu'. To quote him

"The article on exploitation by patni computers reminded me of bad
treatment by my employer when I first came on H1. Ten years later,
now with a big paycheck and a big job, I have everything. I guess
most of the indians do the math similarly and bite the H1B bullet".
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On Feb 19, 9:36 pm, Straydog <a... DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote:

> When the fact is that India has a much higher illiteracy rate than the USA
> and you pick out some itty-bitty brag about some small subpopulation as if
> that make them superior, by implication, than US people....then YOU are
> perpetuating a lie.

oh great. If tomorrow President Bush says that American Indians were
barbarians and deserved to be subdued by whites 300 yrs ago and then
an Indian post that message by President here, will you accuse him of
the
same. Given your intelligence, I will not be surprised if you actually
flame
the indian for posting that and not the President.

May I remind you that most of the India and Indians hyping articles
are from Americans like Robert Compton, Thomas Friedman.
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Tambi Dude wrote:

> On Feb 19, 9:47 pm, Straydog <a....TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Write a letter to Bill Gates or Steve Balmer or Steve Jobs. And, by the
>> way, who are some of the highest paid Indians in IT and how much do they
>> make? And, I have the answer but you don't.
>
> I am not talking about people like Bill Gates. I am talking about
> people like Terry Lomax, Geekboy, BobR who post anti indian
> stuff in this ng.

I will take you seriously when you become willing to consider BOTH
anti-Indian propaganda by non-Indians and anti-US propaganda by Indians.

As long as you want to be as unfair as indiaBPOking (and others), then you
get no audience from me.

>> I'm always amazed that Indians, handed their H1B (even the advertisements
>> that appear here even promise jobs to H1bs) jobs on silver platters by
>> either Indian agents or IT companies who prefer them because they are
>> cheap labor and because they can exploit them (even the word
>> exploitation has appeared in posts here by Indian agents)
>
> Every Indian who comes on H1B knows that the exploitation is only
> for a limited period.

The fact is the not every Indian gets everything in the end. I have met
many foreigners, including Indians, who end up in convenience stores, gas
stations, liquor stores, and all the other places in a 100 mile radius of
me now which are NOT IT jobs and not high paid.

You read BW printed edition. Care to read
> the letters to the editor of Feb 18 issue by someone calling himself
> 'ramu'. To quote him
>
> "The article on exploitation by patni computers reminded me of bad
> treatment by my employer when I first came on H1. Ten years later,
> now with a big paycheck and a big job, I have everything. I guess
> most of the indians do the math similarly and bite the H1B bullet".
>

Yeah, a statistical sample of ONE.
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Father of Terry Lomax wrote:

> In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0802201119300.7600 RemoveThis @panix1.panix.com>, Straydog says...
>
>> The fact is the not every Indian gets everything in the end. I have met
>> many foreigners, including Indians, who end up in convenience stores, gas
>> stations, liquor stores, and all the other places in a 100 mile radius of
>> me now which are NOT IT jobs and not high paid.
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> still avg income of indians is 62% higher than that of Americans.
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> how bad Americans must be earning to finish poorly.

And you really think that all these H1bs are making 62% higher than aveage
Americans?

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